69. Why You Keep Hitting the Same Money Ceiling (And How to Break It) With Christine Corcoran

Season #3 July 14, 2026

You keep hitting the same income ceiling and telling yourself it's a strategy problem. It's usually not.

In this episode, Erin speaks with Christine Corcoran, high-ticket sales strategist, business mindset coach and #1 bestselling author of Turn Imposter Syndrome Into Your Superpower, about why smart, capable women self-sabotage right as things start working. They unpack the difference between money blocks and identity blocks, why imposter syndrome is actually a growth signal in disguise, and why mindset and strategy have to work together, not one before the other.

You'll learn:

Why you're the biggest bottleneck in your own business (and how to spot it)
The "10x your goal" exercise Christine uses to expose where you're taking mediocre action
The real pattern behind self-sabotage at income thresholds, and why chaos can feel safer than calm
How to actually rewire a money belief (not just affirm it away)
Why comparing your Chapter 1 to someone else's Chapter 10 is wrecking your confidence
What tall poppy syndrome is quietly costing Australian women in business

Christine Corcoran is the founder of Next Level Mastermind and host of the annual Unstoppable Women event (Gold Coast, 10–11 September), where she teaches the connection between money, sales and the fear of self-promotion.

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Episode Transcript

today I have a very special guest with me now
Christine Corcoran is a high ticket sales strategist
and business mindset master coach
she is a No. 1 best selling author of
Turn Imposter Syndrome into your superpower
I can't wait to hear more about that
international speaker podcast host
and really a visionary behind Next Level Mastermind
she hosts uh
the annual Unstoppable Women's event
which we are going to be talking about today
and Christine
really specialises in guiding business to business
female entrepreneurs like you
to attract aligned clients through rock solid mindset
authentic sales and high ticket selling
so she's armed with NLP Matrix therapies and m brainy
Christine delivers this transformational transformation
can't even speak let me start that again sorry
can't get my words out
so I've got a very special guest with me today
Christine Cochrane is a high ticket sales strategist
and business mindset master coach
she's a No. 1 best selling author of
Turn Imposter Syndrome into your superpower
which I can't wait to hear about
she's an international speaker
podcast host
and visionary behind Next Level Mastermind
and the host of the annual Unstoppable women's event
Christine specialises in guiding business to business
female entrepreneurs just like you
to attract aligned clients through rock solid mindset
authentic selling and high ticket sales
ah she is armed with lots of tools
including NLP Matrix therapies and Brainy
Christine delivers transformative coaching
experiences
that transcends traditional sales approaches
by delving into the subconscious mind
she helps clients overcome limiting beliefs
shatter self imposed barriers
and supports them to build six
and multiple six figure businesses they dream of
so she combines this into her own methodology
the confident closing method and breakthrough mindset
she has a community of ambitious female entrepreneurs
committed to rewriting their financial narratives
which is so MySpace
scale their businesses
and achieve true financial and business freedom
so the Next Level podcast is Christine's bi weekly
drop of motivation and inspiration
where she shares mindset
tools that you need to really take your next
your business to the next level
so thank you so much for joining me
thanks so much for having me Aaron
I'm excited to have our chat today
yeah now that was a bit of an intro about you
can you just elaborate a little bit
introduce yourself tell me where you're at
um I'm really keen for this conversation
and just to get you get to know you a lot more
yeah so I guess like yes
you've given me a beautiful overview of my
why I exist and why my business exists
which is great my journey
I have very much come from corporate
so before I started my business
I was in corporate and I was very much
a business development and sales manager
and back then we worked with over 100 clients
and we very much support them with strategy
we'd give them the strategy and help and hope that
they run with it
and take their business to the next level
but what I found
is that some business owners would take that strategy
and do really well and then others
I'd see them a month later and nothing has changed
and so at that point I was like
there must be something I'm doing wrong
I thought it was me
I thought it was the way that I was communicating
and sharing the strategy
and what I then decided to do was
figure out how I can improve
the way that I was communicating
and so I learnt communication styles
through that became obsessed with human behaviour
and then through that discovered what coaching was
and back then coaching wasn't a really
overly talked about profession
I did not know you could make money from it
I did not know you could do it as a career
and I became so obsessed with the mind
and then started started studying neuroscience
and started implementing all the mindset
work that I was learning
with the clientele that I was working with
and saw some really great results from it
so then the corporate company was like wow
what are you doing
can you also teach everyone else what you're doing
and I was like sure
cause I was so obsessed with it
and saw some really great results
and wanted to continue to implement what we
what I was learning into the corporate world
and as you may also have
experienced corporate
takes a turn to a certain point where you're like
actually they're not growing as fast as I would like
they're not implementing as fast as I would like
and I kind of got bored
and got to the point where I was like
I wanna keep growing
and I don't feel like this is a space for me
and so I
decided that I wanted to work
mainly with clients that really wanted to grow
because back then having it a
you know listed like 100 people
there was a good group that were like
we're just gonna maintain
and I was kind of bored with that
I was like why do you not wanna grow your business
and so
then
I started building up my business alongside corporate
before I then stepped away
that was over eight and a half years ago now
and so now I have you know
continued to work with hundreds of women in business
to help support them
to grow and scale their businesses
and I'm just continued to be obsessed with
the mindset and the identity work that we do
to help them get there
I think that um
mindset work and identity peace is such a crucial part
of creating the change and the growth that we need
because AI is so prevalent now
we could AI everything but it's well
how do you actually take the action
how do you implement what it is that AI is
telling you to do or um
like I know for me I can create a budget for somebody
but if they don't have that right mindset
then they're not going to implement
or they might implement for a little while
but they
yeah they're
they're not going to change those actually habits
so what are the patterns that you have seen
like I know you've worked with hundreds of women now
since you've stepped out of corporate
but what are those patterns that you see in women
who are earning really well
but still feel really stuck
so I honestly see it as huge identity upgrades
so as we start to evolve in our business
we go through how the business grows
we also grow alongside it
and we are often the biggest bottleneck
so
I see everything from money blocks to identity blocks
now identity blocks can be everything
from a fear of visibility
it could be a fear of high level of responsibility
so as they're starting to scale
their ability to maintain a level of capacity
so often I'll see women that are expanding
and things are going really well
and then they end up ghosting or they
you know
step away from the momentum that they're building
because they're fearful of what
that next level will bring
because it's a level of change really
and so
we either have the capacity within our nervous system
that we need to work on
or the capacity of implementing
better systems
or we need to actually step up as a leader
in our business and start expanding with team
so there's these new evolutions that come about
and often well not often
every single time we are the biggest bottleneck
and we hold ourselves back
and so whether it's a mindset block
that we're preventing ourselves from taking action
so fear of visibility fear of more responsibility
fear of being able to manage that amount of money
that manage that amount of clientele
uh right through to the leadership elements of
I see and hear this all the time
I'm not a good leader
I don't wanna have to manage people
and that can then be the block
which
then causes us to go back to what we've always done
as a solo entrepreneur so
it just depends on the direction of where
your business is going
but we see so many different types of identity
blocks that prevent us from scaling
because we have to change with our business
yeah I think that's really key to any part of change
isn't it because what you know now is very safe
it's familiar it may not feel comfortable
but even that uncomfortableness with it is familiar
and so we say stuck in that pattern and that loop
because that's what we've always known
but if you want something different
then you need to upgrade that identity along with it
yeah and usually when I ask clients like what they
want their next level to look like
they can quite clearly articulate
and sometimes
there's people that aren't really dreaming big enough
right they're kind of holding themselves back
and being safe in the way
you probably see this with women with money
all the time we're like
oh I have as I have everything I need
so I shouldn't be allowed to want more
and so we all almost like
block ourselves and limit ourselves
with just that mindset but honestly
like when we start to look at expanding and growing
we have to start looking at what's actually working
and what's not working
and when I ask people to like expand their goals
and not necessarily because they should want more
it's just it's
helping us highlight
where we're holding ourselves back
so if I say to a client like
what's your goal for the next six months to 12 months
and they say X y
Z then I will usually say something like
let's 10 times that and see where the action is landing
because when we 10 times it and we start looking at K
if we were actually going for a goal
that was 10 times what we had originally thought
what action steps would we be taking at that level
of aiming towards that level
and that usually then highlights
where we're taking mediocre action in our business
and that then highlights where the fear is showing up
right so I like that yeah
on a whole new level because we
sometimes don't see how we're holding ourselves back
cause our subconscious mind doesn't want us to change
it doesn't want us to take scary action
and put ourselves in the potential
space where we could be rejected
or we could be trolled or we could be judged right
like subconsciously
our identity is holding us in this safe zone
of where we feel comfortable and confident
and we have the ego that then comes in and being like
you don't need to do that
you doing really well like stay where you are
or I'm not gonna put myself out there in that way
or we judge others
of what other people are doing to scale their business
and they go oh no
you shouldn't do that like
our subconscious mind is constantly
causing us to come back to our comfort zone
and when we address that
and just a simple activity like that
like if I actually text your goal right now
and look to the action
steps that you should be taking to hit that goal
then we compare
those to the action steps that you are setting
for yourself now
you will often see that you are actually taking
mediocre action
and then you're creating mediocre results
and being okay with that because again
we don't want to judge ourselves
which you know doesn't serve us anyway
we will often either be disappointed with our outcomes
but when we look
at it right down to the brass tacks of like
what is the action you're taking
and then
what are the expectations you're asking of that action
they don't match up
and so that's where we start to really look at okay
why are we not taking bigger action
and that's where the fear
and the limitations come to the surface
I think we we can't see that for ourselves right
it um
it's easy to from an outsider's perspective
to see what is happening or where those blocks are
or where those gaps are
but if we are trying to self analyze
we're always gonna come back to that bias
that we're wanting to be the truth
do you say that as well oh
all the time all the time
and that's
literally the reason why I joined masterminds
why I'm a part of other communities
and why I attend events even for myself
for my own identity upgrades
we cannot see what's possible for ourselves
if we're surrounding ourselves with people
doing less than we are
when we keep ourselves in that stuck circle of
even if you just use the old Jim Rohn quote of like
you are the average
of the five people you spend the most time with
if you look at the five people
you spend the most time with
I guarantee you all have very similar results
and if that's not okay with you
as in like it might be okay
you might be cool with that
and that's fine right
but if you want more for your life
and you do want to see what you're capable of
I would then look at okay
if I was surrounded by other people
if I look at people even online
what are the people who are the people that you admire
and what are the action steps that they're taking
and if you ask yourself
if I was in the circle of five people
doing all of this next level action
how would I feel
and that's where all the fear comes to the surface
and that's where all the excuses come to the surface
that's where all the identity
beliefs about who we believe we are
what we're capable of and what we believe is possible
right for ourselves comes to the surface
and that's what we need to address
in order for us to go to the next level
and money is part of that
like hundred percent
like we'll have stories around money again
what we believe we're worthy of
what we believe we deserve
and that's then playing out in our everyday
example of our results
hmm so what does um
what money blocks do you see show up with your clients
like in in a day to day type of thing
like you just mentioned a couple of those there
but you know we
we say money block
and I think we assume everybody knows what that means
but what have you seen show up for your clients
as money blocks
so I often look at the behaviours and start looking OK
how is that serving us so
I would look at like a money block of
not feeling comfortable to take a rest
feeling guilty to take a break
and feeling like my business cannot keep running
unless I keep doing that's one if I look at
and that's constantly believing like
I have to work hard to earn money
or it's not I don't
I'm not deserving unless I've worked really hard for it
that come up recently for a client
uh I've seen another one
where we are comfortable in the chaos
and so we create more chaos around us
and we can do that often with money
where we're spending too much above our means
and then we're creating chaos where it's like
oh now I've got to figure out the solution to that
and we are and latch like
latching onto the belief
that we're a big problem solver
so then we create chaos to solve the problems
to make ourselves feel good
right is another one
or it could be that if you had a tumultuous childhood
where it was
you know if money cause a lot of stress and conflict
then we often
then recreate that in our relationship with money
in the future in our adulthood
and then
we don't know what it feels like to actually have more
to feel safe
so say that like you have an excess of money
then often what can happen is that feels uncomfortable
cause they're so used to struggling
or so used to having chaos
that you then get rid of the excess
to come back to the equilibrium of like
no this is what's normal for me
my normal is chaos
my normal is stress and struggle around money
so then even though it's not what you want
and it's uncomfortable and you don't like it
it still becomes a familiarity
of the way that you were talking about before
so that's another money block that I often see uh
I see as well
like when people have again excess come in
I have a client that's
doing extremely well at the moment
and we recognized the block where she was like
she would get to this next stage and then she would um
step away from creating more results
so she's like oh
that's too much for me she hits that threshold
and then she comes back down
and she either goes to launch
or she stops posting
and stops building on the momentum
because she she
deep down
doesn't believe that she's worthy of having that much
or the responsibility of actually managing that amount
and so she comes back to okay
where was the equilibrium
where's the normal what I'm comfortable of handling
and I do that in air quotes
where we're comfortable or confident in managing
and then
even though it's not what we want and we want more it
we come we always come back to where the familiarity is
yeah I see that too with that chaos piece
as in I had a client say to me
I actually needed to be an adult with my money
and that was um
I think a real light bulb moment for her
because she'd always been in this chaos situation
everything was chaotic and chaotic
felt comfortable even though she didn't like it
like you said um
even if you don't like these things
it is still the familiar it is what we're used to
and for her the
the lightbulb moment was to go ah okay
I need to be an adult with my money
I need to lead my money I need to create the calm
and create that real ease and flow
which was how she needed to show up
so I think that money
blocks can come in so many different forms
and sometimes we get stuck in this oh
well that can't really be that bad for me
or that's not that bad of a situation
because we're just
bringing ourselves back to that familiar
comfortable space
but I think having somebody like yourself
to be able to call you out and really question
does this serve me
that's such a powerful tool for women in general
but women in business particularly
I think it's it's such a powerful tool to have that
support or that person that's outside
to be able to come in and just question
whether that's serving them or not yeah
absolutely and that's all it can necessarily be
is that just that simple questioning process
because we're so normal in our everyday life of
of money and business
that we don't necessarily see outside of ourselves
of what could be possible
and it's always just that question
cause sometimes it is serving us sometimes it's like
yep that's good
that's a great behaviour to have and that's great
but if it's not serving you
and it's not where you wanna be
then we need to start addressing
what behaviours are showing up
and what's driving that behaviour
because it's not just as easy as saying
we'll just don't do that then right
like yes otherwise you would do it right
you would stop why would you keep doing it
exactly so
there's
gotta be some underlying reason why we're doing it
and we start to explore the limiting beliefs
we start to explore the money
associations that we have with it
the stories that we have from our childhood
and the emotions attached to it
the emotions are what drive our behaviour
so if we're not addressing those emotions
then they're going to continue to affect our behaviour
so we wanna go back to the core issue
adjust that rewire that part of the brain
so then it's no longer a driving factor
when we do that it's
magical how that works about how we feel different
then in the next decision that we make with money
the next decision
in the way that we show up in our business
and that's when change really starts to happen
so how do you go about rewiring your brain
like you speak about
so there's multiple different ways that you can
to rewire the brain
the emotional part of it is really the connector
and what really creates that deeper
ingrained belief system is the associations and
and emotions that we have
with experiences that we've had right
which then develop a belief system
and that belief system then gets
like rewired again and again and again
the more times we think it
so
what we wanna do is address where that limitation is
and start to rewire it
there's many ways to go about it
repetition is one of the most basic ones
where we repeat
and we rewire that for a new belief system
so we identify where it shows up
we've got to process the emotion attached to it first
otherwise it's often where people forget to do that
they go straight to uh
like if they have a belief system
maybe we go with it's
you have to work hard to earn money
I have to identify like where did that come from
whose belief is that
what's the emotion attached to that belief
and we start to reprocess that so for me that was a
big one that I actually had to work through shifting
and I recognized it was a belief my dad had
and he did actually have to work extremely hard
in his business when I was a kid to make money
he was a farmer so it worked extremely hard labour
I had to realise that that was his belief
because it was his existence right
that's the he lived and the generation that he was in
in my life
I can earn money from my laptop on a beach right
that doesn't feel that hard
so we wanna acknowledge like
am I willing to release and let go of that belief
and then what's the new belief
I'd like to repair it with
so we want to address like
we can't go straight from
you have to work hard to earn money two
it's easy to earn money whenever I like right
because your brain's gonna call bullshit on that
and it's not going to rewire
because you've got so much proof
and evidence from the past
to prove the old belief to be true
so we unpack that we
we pull holes out of that belief system
and then we find a bridge thought to replace it with
so it might be
there are times when money comes into my life
with ease
I'm sure you'll be able to find as your brain does
as normal process
as I even said that your brain will look for proof for
that to be true
and so then we will find proof that actually
there has been times when money has come into my life
with ease that could also be true
so see now
we're now holding two belief systems
alongside each other that are contradicting right
so then we're able to then go
if I repeat that new belief
money comes into my life with ease at
in different times repeat that enough times
your brain will continue to look for new evidence
to prove that to be true
and eventually if you keep believing that
it'll then override that old belief system
now that will take some time
just gonna highlight that
that will take some time and some work to do right
there is NLP processes that I take my clients through
which actually has that happen within moments
so that's something that
you can only really do with a coach
it's not something that you can do yourself
because of the process that it takes
to take you through and like I said before
your subconscious mind is protecting you from change
so trying to do it on yourself is really difficult
unless you are NLP trained
um and again
finding the core belief is also
can be sometimes challenging to do
so we wanna explore what the core belief is
and we I take them through an NLP process
where we go back to where that belief began
and we rewire that that neural pathway
in the mind to reconnect it with the new belief system
and we release any emotions and associations
attached with that experience
so
then we can start to create new proof for new beliefs
and then we the rewiring begins
so we eradicate the old and then they can then use a
an affirmation with emotion
to help rewire a new belief system
but you must then follow it with action for it to
to be embedded and be embodied
yeah I think the action piece is such a
a crucial piece to any change that you want
because we can create so much change
on that very conscious and logical level
as well through that repetition and doing the action
so I love that you are addressing
you know those um
beliefs and the emotions but I think also
backing it up with taking the action
is super important
because the action then provides the evidence
that this new belief works
or this new belief is true
because otherwise
you just keep slipping back into these old
beliefs all the time and stay in that loop
yeah the brain just wants to follow old patterns
and so it will go back to the old
unless you replace it with the new
and that's why I think
some people often go wrong with mindset work
is they possibly do some of the deep work to rewire
and then they just go about their lives
and keep reinforcing the old belief
system and then before you know it
they've gone back to the old
whereas like
and you can I can give you like a simple example here
like let's say that you are
identify as someone who is a procrastinator
I'm just gonna use it as a simple example right
let's say that you identify
as someone who procrastinates
if you want to be not be a procrastinator anymore
then you need to become an action taker right
so you could say
every day I take new actions toward being productive
you start rewiring that belief system
but if you don't actually take the action
ha ha ha your mind's gonna be like
well that's not true right
yeah so yeah
ideally
you wanna start with repetition of that new belief
and then you wanna actively choose to take
smaller action steps to reinforce that belief
and at the end of the day
you can look back and be like
hey I didn't take action
I took action on this and this and this and this
so I must be an action taker
so then the next day
when you wake up and you do your new
you rewire that new belief and you're like
I am an action taker I am an action taker
I am an action taker I am an action taker
you will start to embody that
and every new step you take
you're like
oh look at that I took some more action so I
must be an action taker
your brain has to believe it to be true
because you're following through on it
so it's a it is a a rewiring
that's why we call it like that
it's a cycle you have to have the action built into it
and the more you do that
the more you step into this new identity
that the old identity has to slip away right
you cannot
no longer be a procrastinator and an action taker
in one they're complete polarities
so you've got to
start stepping into which direction you want
and that's where we've got to move through
the fear of it
like I know that it's it's going to feel uncomfortable
it's like any new skill that you learn
you're going to be a beginner at it
you gonna fumble at it you gonna make mistakes
it's gonna feel uncomfortable
you're gonna feel like it's
not something that you're confident in just yet
and that's why often people get stuck
they're like I'm not confident yet
so I should keep thinking about it first ha ha well no
the action and the confidence comes in the action
so action you've got to be willing
to be the beginner and move through it
and I was
imagine you would see the same thing with women
and people taking action within their money right
it's gonna feel uncomfortable
they're gonna feel guilty
they're gonna feel scared
they're gonna feel like they don't know what
they're talking about with all these new money terms
and then they'll do it and again and again and again
before they know it they're like
oh I am really good at managing money
I can stick to a budget
like it's so normal to then step into that next phase
but you've got to move through the fear
and take the action first
yeah I think it's um
it is so important that action piece
because that's that's something that often gets missed
and I love the mindset work
but I think being an accountant
I'm also very practical based as well
and you need to actually do the thing
if you want the change to happen
so you can't keep telling yourself
you've got to actually do it
yeah you've got to actually do it yeah
um you talk a lot about strategy
and making sure you've got the right strategy in place
where do you see the line
like do you see there's a line between well
I just need to work on the mindset
and then the strategy happens
or we need the strategy and then we
we need the mindset like I feel for me
and this is how I coach we need both
we need mindset and strategy
in order to create the beautiful pieces to the puzzle
to make things happen
but do you sort of see a lot of people thinking oh
well if I just get the mindset right
everything will
all fall into place or they've got the strategy
but they don't have the mindset peace
they definitely work in tandem
absolutely
and this is why I work on strategy and mindset
you do need the strategy
and there is certain parts where
you actually don't know what the strategy is right
so there's there's a norm
there's that's normal if you've never done it before
how do you know what to do
and you may need support in the strategy side of things
for your business
in order to know what your next steps need to be right
I'm a big believer that with the right mindset
the strategy will become clearer
if you know how to ask really great questions
because it honestly
comes back down to the power of the questions
that you ask yourself and that may mean
there needs to be an education piece in the middle
to get clear on the strategy
you can't just like come up with an idea and be like
yeah I know every step of the way if you've never
ever done it before right
the more you're longer you're in business
obviously you learn inner strategies
you learn strategies
you see what's what's working what's not working
you can analyze
parts of your business to improve the strategy
but if you don't know from beginning right
no clue at all about how to build out an email list
how to create content you need to figure out those
strategies right
I'm a big believer that with the right mindset
you become very resourceful
and that's what I mean by having
a really great mindset
is it's actually a resourceful mindset
so you're resourceful with the resources that you have
so you have the belief that you can learn
we don't have a fixed mindset where we're like
we are as we are it is what it is we can't change it
right that's obviously gonna keep us stuck
whereas if I'm like OK
what is the best use of my time right now
what's the best use of my my my money
what's the best use of my effort
what can I do today that's gonna make a big difference
and we can absolutely learn as we take action
and there's a it's education phase
but the mindset piece
it's about how we're adopting the action right
and I'm a big believer that you could have the best
strategy in the world but if your mindset sucks
you're not gonna take action on it right
if you don't believe it's possible for you
if you have all the excuses
if you're like no
everything else is out there in the world
and everything else is working against me
like that's not gonna serve you whereas if you're like
well actually
what's the next best step for me to take today
and you take that action that's gonna serve you
what's the best way that I can use my resources
how can I show up today how can I do things differently
what do I need to learn
in order for me to get better at this
it's a more powerful mindset to approach the action
yeah I totally agree
and I I think I heard I think it was Janine
Alice said
she steps into a room and she is always a learner
and I really loved that uh
approach because if you step into a space going well
what do I need to learn who do I need to learn from
um you know
we can always learn something from someone
but if we have such a closed mindset that uh
we've got it all figured out or we don't
we don't know what to do
but we're not open to hearing anything different
you're not going to step forward
and you're not going to achieve
what it is that you want
but I really loved how she just said
you know she's a
a huge multi millionaire in
in Australia and the world
and creating beautiful things
but she still steps into a room
thinking she's a learner
and I think that's just such a powerful mindset
shift to have I totally agree with you
and it's one that I've always adopted
whenever I step into any type of event or group
community because I feel like if you
it's almost like an ego thing
if you step in you're like ah
I know everything you again
you close yourself off to so much goodness
and as as well I think that mindset wise
that we only take on what we're ready for
so you may have heard something
that might have been a best piece of advice ever
six months ago but you weren't in the phase
being open to receiving that right
you might not even been in the phase of the business
with that piece of advice
was the right fit so then if you close yourself off now
you may miss this piece of advice
or the brain has these mirror neurons
so are always reflecting on what we're hearing seeing
experiencing about what that means for us
so we're only gonna take on what we're ready to absorb
and so if you close yourself off to that
you're missing out on so much magic
and I see this happen a lot actually with events
and I think it's a little bit of Protection mechanism
where we prevent ourselves from being the beginner
or being seen as the beginner
or even like we don't have our stuff together right
like I think that
that's a real big blocker for a lot of women
where it's like
I have to look like I know what I'm talking about
I have to look like I have my shit together
because it would be weak to be the opposite
and that's often where we miss out
we miss out on connection
we miss out on advice that could have served us
we miss out on being able to be connected
to the right people
that could take us to the next level
because if you don't share
people don't know
and I feel like that's often a big block for people
and I've seen that actually
even with my event last year
the people that I've shared with me
how they've made the best connections
and have had the biggest growth in their business
are the ones that showed up open
the ones that showed up closed
cause I've also had those kinds of conversations of
like oh yeah
the speaker was great I'm like great
what did you implement from their speech
and they're like ah
and you can tell that I haven't done anything right
did you review the notebook that you wrote
all your notes in
did you actually follow up on the connections
that you made the people that didn't
are the ones that don't benefit from events right
so I think that it shows up in so many different areas
it's like how you're approaching it
and sometimes it is a bit of self reflection
because I'm sure like even yourself
I know that I have as well
where
you're not mentally prepared to go into that event
or you're not mentally prepared to go into a situation
to really make the most out of it
and so
I do my best to actually reset my energy before I walk
into a new room before I open a new zoom
whatever it might be to be like okay
how do I wanna approach this that's gonna best serve me
and I think that when you do that
that's when you again
you open your mind up to the possibilities
so how do you do that though
when like
your book is
turn impostor syndrome into your superpower
when you're stepping into a room
like an event where you are feeling less than
not enough not um
you know deserving of being in this space
like
all of those internal self doubt things that we have
how do you turn that around
so that you can maximize your time at say
an event like that um
to get the most out of it
so firstly we understand that the imposter syndrome
is just a fear based thought pattern
so often what happens is that we have those thoughts
and we believe them to be true
so then we respond to those thoughts
and we feel not enough we feel unworthy
we feel like we don't belong
and then how we show up is we hide
we're shy we don't communicate clearly
we hold back and then the result of that is what
we don't make the connections
we don't actually add value to the room
we don't speak up we walk away from that event going oh
I really didn't belong there
it's a it's a self fulfilling prophecy
right so
what we wanna do is go back to the beginning
and be like that is a fear
it's fear showing up to protect me
and is it actually true like
how do I know that I don't belong in this room
how do I know that I'm not worthy to be in this room
and I can share with you so many different examples
like when I first where this book came to me
I flew to America to attend a whole bunch of
entrepreneurial events and America is not only massive
but they're massive
as in their personalities are massive
and also the rooms that you're in
the opportunities in America are next level
compared to Australia the uh
abundance and the amount of money that can be made
the amount of clientele that you can serve is huge
because their population is very big right
so going into those rooms
I had all of those fears
I was like why am I doing this
this is crazy like you're so silly
like why did you fly all this way to be in this room
you don't belong here you're not successful enough
you're not talented enough
you're not qualified enough
like all of those and what I learnt is that again
if you close yourself off by
by believing all of those belief systems
and you basically keep telling that story
you will show up and you will hide
you won't show up you'll hide
you'll prevent yourself
from actually making those connections
and you won't clearly articulate your value
and then it'll be a self fulfilling prophecy
but I use those examples or those situations
as an opportunity to explore a new way to approach
imposter syndrome imposter syndrome
is showing you where you've got to grow
so it's highlighting to you
your belief systems that are holding you back
it's highlighting to you where you are
still have opportunities to grow
so there was a incredible success in that room
so that I've obviously yeah
there's going to be bigger rooms
where you are not the most
successful person in the room
but if you keep attending the
attending the events or the communities
or you're in groups that
where you are the most successful
you stop growing
so if you let imposter syndrome support you in this
it can be your biggest superpower
so I took a step back after that event
I came home and sat and was like OK
did I show up the way that I really want to show up
that's gonna benefit me it was scary
I still made great connections
it was still an awesome event a great experience
but I was like I'm not gonna do that again
I'm not gonna play small
I'm not gonna hold myself back
because that's not gonna benefit me
and so
I looked at all the different areas of my business
and my life where I felt like an imposter
where that fear based thought pattern showed up for me
and it was things like
pitching myself to bigger podcasts
reaching out to people who were further
along in business and networking with them
it was attending events
pitching myself to be a speaker at events
it was finding
ways to be the person that was the dumbest in the room
right
and being in circles with the most successful people
and feeling like I belonged
I knew that if I was to actually pursue those
those experiences
I would grow and my business would be better for it
so I was like this is my opportunity to move through
the imposter syndrome cause it's just fear
that's all it is and we start to approach it
and we poke holes in those belief systems
and we start moving through the fear
and taking the action anyway
we become a whole new version of ourselves
every single person that's successful
that you look up to has gone through these phases
they
they've been in rooms where they felt like the dumbest
or the or the newest or the most unsuccessful right
and they've learnt and they've opened themselves up
to those conversations
to show ourselves what's possible
every single conversation I had at those events
in America expanded my belief in what's possible
expanded my strategy cause I
you learn things you just never knew were possible
or you would never have been privy to
by being in your own office at
home right
you had conversations that challenged you
you had conversations that lit something up
inspired a new idea inspired a new thought process
inspired a new strategy those things don't happen
unless you expand your capacity for more right
until you step in those rooms
and so then the next event that I attended
I was like I'm gonna show up differently
I'm gonna believe that I belong here
I'm gonna believe that I have value to add
cause when we have the imposter
we often downgrade our own belief systems
about our own value so I was like
I'm gonna show up and I'm gonna support people
and I'm gonna answer questions
and I'm gonna put myself forward
so that next event I had conversations that again
shifted me in so many ways
like I remember one conversation with this guy
who was a multi
seven figure business owner who had an agency
and I was like well
what advice could I possibly give him
what information could I give him
that would make any difference
like I could have listened to that voice
but I didn't I was like
stay present within the conversation
ask great questions
that's what you know how to do as a coach
ask great questions and so I had a chat with him
and he just launched something new to a new audience
and he had basically didn't go as planned
and I said and I asked him a few questions around
it and then I gave him a piece of advice
that I think that would be ideal
for him where
with where he's at and he turned around and said to me
with this whole room
I've shared this example to probably 15 other people
and this is the best
piece of advice I've gotten all day
because I was willing to be present
and support and add value
now I could have been like oh well
you're way more successful than me
I got nothing I got nothing to add here
but I was like no stay present
and in that conversation
then I was able to walk away and go wow
I do have value to add here
the same thing happened to another conversation I had
after one of the the events
I was talking to a lady who was doing 100 k months
I wasn't doing 100 k months at the time
and I was like chatting to her
about some of the challenges that she was experiencing
and she'd hired a couple new team members
and she was having some challenges
and I come from leading teams
so I was able to add value and and say look
this is what I would do in this situation
and also I think you need to
improve this part of your onboarding
and I also think
you need to have this type of conversation
with this specific challenging team member
and she was like oh my God
that's so helpful
and she literally made a whole page of notes
of what she was gonna do and I was like
ah feels so good to help and support but in that moment
I was like
the problems that she is having at that level
of success I know how to handle
so then that adapted my my identity about what I was
what I believed about myself
and my ability to manage
at that level of responsibility
so that changes my identity
so
these moments can happen if you open yourself up to it
and so the imposter syndrome
is basically
showing you every opportunity you have to grow
and if you're willing
you're willing to move towards it
and move through the fear
and you have the tools to move through the fear
to take the action
it can change every part of your trajectory
of your business and it can change you
yeah I love that um
and as you know I was just in Arizona
and I think for me being in rooms like that
it just shows the possibilities
of what's actually possible
for people like me because they're ordinary people
they're just normal people
but we put these people up on a pedestal
thinking they're better they know more
they've done more
they must be better people than what we are
but when you actually put yourself
into a room like that you realize well
they're actually just normal people they do the
normal things like I do and if it's possible for them
then it's possible for me too
so I really love that um
what you said about imposter syndrome
is really just the fear
and it's showing you what's possible
if you're open to it so that's um
that's just such a beautiful way to look at it
rather than it being such a problem
or it's a hindrance it's well
actually what's it showing me that I can grow
where can I grow
and I think because it's been given a name
people often look at it
it's almost like a disease and it's bad
you know what yeah
they talk about it like that
they're like oh
I couldn't do that because I've got imposter syndrome
like they attach it to who they are as a person
and I'm like no
it's not the colour of your hair
like it's not like your skin type
like it's not it's an actual fear based thought pattern
that you can change and it only shows up
it only shows up when you are outside your comfort zone
and that's where the growth opportunity is
it doesn't show up when you're in your office
doing the same thing you did yesterday right
it's only gonna show up when you're being stretched
when you're being expanded to the next level
so those are your opportunities
and if you don't take action in those spaces
you keep creating the exact same results so
if you're just listening to this podcast and being like
actually that's so true
I would ask yourself like
what's something that you could do this week that it
that would induce the imposter syndrome
and then ask yourself if I actually did that thing
would it grow my business
and I guarantee you the answer will be yes
and that's why it's an opportunity for growth
yeah yeah
I love that
what's the thing that you see most common in women
that wrecks their confidence
that wrecks their confidence
ooh rejection is a big one when they get rejected
uh another thing I think as well
when they don't get the results
that
they are often comparing themselves to others online
so comparison is a big one that shows up
and that often wrecks people's confidence
that they've given it a go
like I see this a lot with launching
that people see other people launching
and they get these massive numbers
and like oh my god
a 1.2 million dollar launch or 100 k launch
and then they launch their first offering
as a group offering or whatever it might be
they launch their first thing and they get five people
and they're like ugh
I failed I'm like no
five people invested in you
five people invested in
the outcome that you're offering
that is a win that is worth celebrating
and we compare people's step 10 or Chapter 10 to that
your Chapter 1 you cannot do
that and often we and again
it comes back to what I was talking about before
with the mediocre action
it's so hard to see what other people did to achieve
those results
like if you actually looked at behind the scenes
of what they did to achieve that $1.2 million
or that hundred k launch there are things
that you probably haven't even been privy to
to see what they're doing the amount
the amount of money they're spending on ads
the action that they took every single day
the amount of content that they put out into the world
how long their launch lead time was right
like if I had give you a most common recent example
Jesse Jean
she just yeah
went viral for the app challenge and I saw that yeah
and she did a 1.2 million dollar launch
and then she launched again two weeks later
and did another million dollars right
amazing so good
and we often look at that as the outlier of being like
oh that's okay for her because X y
Z but actually it's absolutely possible for you
but compare intelligently
don't look at just what she did in the last two weeks
look at what she's done in the last year
she has been so incredibly consistent
with her Yap videos that she's gotten so much better
right from the beginning
she also had
confidence in being able to talk to camera
from the beginning so if you even look
at the first couple of videos that she did
that weren't on topic for the gap challenge
it was just what she was sharing about her um
experience with her husband and her
their finances
she was quite confident in sharing to camera
and that might have come from her previous experience
right so again
you need to make sure that you're comparing your
experience to her experience
but what she did what I love about what she did
is that she mastered one thing
and she was so consistent with it
now
we don't know how much what she did behind the scenes
like she could have built a stronger network
she could have expanded and done some collaborations
she could have spent money on ads
like I don't know
I have no clue about what the back end
of her launch was
and so often what we do is we compare and we go
oh well
she did that why didn't I do that
but again we've got to look at what we don't know
and so there's some parts of
what people are doing behind the scenes
that you aren't aware of but what you need to do is go
OK what can I learn from mine
and how can I go back and try again
and often
people's confidence gets kicked in the guts that first
when it didn't go to the exact plan that they wanted
but it's I guarantee you
you launch it again and again and again
you will absolutely see the data
and what the business is telling you
and what you need to improve
and you can get to that result
and you've got to hold the vision for that
and you've got to see the possibility of it
and hold it to be true and that's possible
but then take the action to make it happen
and she just did one thing really well
she stayed so true to the one thing
and I think that people you know
I just love that
of what she's been able to achieve there
yeah
I think we do get so caught up in that comparison space
of well
they're doing this or they're doing that
we see these people that are
you know they seem to have this instant success
but you know
what was her background before the 12 months
like what did she do in the last 10 years
that has LED
her to be in this position that she's in right now
because I think we just
expect everything to just change automatically
and all of a sudden we're experts at this thing
but we actually need to give ourselves
a little bit of Grace and kindness
to go okay
well you know
we're we're starting where we're at
we just need to start from where we're at
and what does that look like
but what is the action that she's taking
that I can implement what are the
behaviours that she does that I can replicate
it's not doing exactly the same
but how does she show up does she show up everyday
does she um
you know what type of content is she putting out there
how does she position herself
like looking at those things rather than just oh
I'm not her I can't do this
you know actually
what can you learn from it is a different take on
on creating success like these other people exactly
it's a resourceful way of looking at it for sure
because we so easily beat ourselves up
or we all judge ourselves or we
or we discount ourselves
whereas if you actually like stop pedestalling people
she's not unique she's not
she's not different
but she's done something really bloody well
so what can we learn from that
yeah so as you've moved through your business um
what sort of roadblocks have you come up against
like personally money mindset
um confidence pieces
I know you've sort of touched on it a little bit
but I think like like you just said um
we we see this end result of what somebody has done
or has achieved
but we don't see the journey necessarily along the way
as to what did they have to overcome
so what are the
some of the things that you needed to work on for you
personally to be able to get yourself to this success
where you're at
I mean that could
be seven hours long of a podcast
um but to kind of cherry pick
definitely
money mindset has been a huge growth opportunity
for me I very much
came from a childhood where we had feast and famine
a lot and being farmers
ha ha beast and feminine was the
the norm and so I had to work through those patterns
I had to work through thresholds of income as well
like because I I'm originally trained as a hairdresser
and we were the lowest paid trade in the country
and probably still are to be honest
and so I didn't have a lot of money
even when I was stepping into the job space
and so I had a lot of money blocks
in being able to manage money
and I had um
belief systems even from math class that was
I was told I wasn't good with numbers
wasn't good at math so I mustn't be good at numbers
and so then that then played out
even though I actually pretty good at it
and now I analyze people's business numbers
um but it's so interesting that we just carry that
that belief until you address it
and then move through it uh
so there's that I mean
oh my gosh
I went through a really hard period
when my dad was terminally ill
and then we lost him and so
then running a business with grief
is also really challenging
um
I could even say like with
my events I went through a period of time
I ran events in Brisbane for three years
and for two of those they weren't profitable
and yet I still kept didn't learn the lesson there
of being able to put myself forward
and I was very much championing other people
instead of actually selling my own services
and so I learnt a lot through that as well
uh
and I've been through so many challenges along the way
around like
figuring out what my space is
and what I wanna be known for
and testing out all the different strategies
right like every
as we all do in business
we've tried different things and launches
I've had launches that have failed
I have launches that have
I've had
webinars that people have not shown up to at all
I've had um
you know all of those
I could tell you all those stories
but I guess it just depends on which
avenue you wanna go through
where do you wanna go yeah
but I think that's you know
that's really valuable to know because uh
like we've said
you just see this person on social media
who looks like they have everything together
looks like they are super successful
happy enjoying life
but behind the scenes you don't actually know
what struggles
and what things that they've had to overcome
in order to create the life that they have now
and I think that that's such a valuable piece to
be able to share with people that
you know things
things will happen and it's about well
how do you get back up how do you be um
persistent at things when you have this big goal
as to what it is that you wanna achieve
and sometimes we don't even know what that is
but we're on that trajectory
that we know we're here for more
we know we we want more um
but it's just nice to hear
I think that
successful people have all of these things that normal
everyday people have too
because they're just normal everyday people
I think like
I can give you an example even from this year that
you know AI has been a big disruptor
and especially as a coach
where I teach and I support people with strategy
like people are going to chat GPT and being like cool
what's my next strategy
that I can put in place for my business
what's what's this mindset block
like they're getting coaching from this AI tool right
and so that has been very much a disruptor
and it's really
it's always in the back of my mind now of like
how can I continue to adopt AI
to support the growth of my business
but also where is this going
and what's my business gonna look like in three
in two years time and five years time and 10 years time
and I'm very much in this business that I I
want it to be the rest of my legacy
I want it to be the rest of my life
because I always see myself coaching and being
you know bringing people together and running events
like it's very much been in the back of my mind of like
OK how are we pivoting
and how are we supporting the growth of this
evolution of online business
there's also the element of understanding or separating
or I guess how I deal with it is like
is it me or is it business
so and again
I could go back to Covid like
Covid was actually a very great time in my business
but we were going through really hard times
my dad was also very sick at that time too
so I was stuck in Victoria and like
locked into Victoria for a good period forever
um and so
but the way I'm looking at this is like
I looked at that and went OK
if you choose to just follow and just respond
and react to what's happening in the world
you'll always be reactive
whereas you get to choose how you wanna respond
and so even at the beginning of this year
when all this stuff with AI was really kicking off
I was like
I could be responding to this from a place of fear
or I could choose to lead
and I also separate like who is it
how is it me versus how is it business
and business changes
we go through major evolutions in business all the time
and so Covid was a huge disruptor
AI is a huge disruptor and so again
we can choose to sit in fear and worry
and just sit and watch and freeze
or we can choose to lead and when we choose to again
it's that growth mindset to the fixed mindset really
of like what am I open to
what am I learning
and when I put myself in the learning shoes again
and stop making it mean anything negative about myself
it's not me it's business
things are changing and we need to adapt
and it's normal to have fear around that
because there's uncertainty
and business in general there's uncertainty right
like it's just a story of business
isn't it yeah
and it's
how you then choose to navigate that uncertainty
you can always be in uncertainty and always be in fear
which is not a great place to be
and it's very uncomfortable and it's scary
and it's sucks or you can be the choose to lead
you can choose to lead your business
choose to make decisions choose to learn
choose to grow and put yourself
in circles that are gonna support that growth
or you can hide there's you get you get options right
you get to choose
and what you do now will make all the difference
and I'm a big believer of like
what you're doing right now in your
business you will feel it in three months time
so if you are hiding and you're freezing
and you're sitting and waiting
you're gonna feel that in three months time
when you will either have no leads
you will have no business
not even necessarily no business
but like you will feel it
and it'll feel it in your numbers
you'll feel it in your clientele
and so you I'm always like in that mindset of like
I'm gonna feel this in three months time
so what am I choosing to do right now
I can choose to show up
like I can use my event as an example right
my event's in September and I've
I've gotta hold the vision for that event
I want I want 150 incredible people in that room
so I've gotta show up in my marketing
and prove to people that it's worthy of showing up for
because people are gonna make those decisions
to be in that room now
and they're gonna make the decision
in three weeks time and in a month's time
and in six weeks time and in two in in 8 weeks time
they're gonna make that decision
but what I do now will make the
all the difference in September
so that's the way I view it
yeah so speaking of your event
that is unstoppable woman women
it is the 10th and September 11th on the Gold Coast
now you're gonna be presenting on the connection
between money and
sales and overcoming the fear of self promotion
that's pretty cool
do you wanna just give us a little insight into
the event firstly
and then what you'll be sharing
cause I know you've got some amazing guest speakers
but what's the piece that you're gonna be sharing on
I'm also gonna be exploring the
how tall Poppy syndrome affects us here
so ooh that's pretty pretty juicy too
and the connection of money and sales to that
because there is a huge connection
because
tall Poppy is one of those things that's so insidious
in our thoughts
that we don't realize how much it impacts
the way that we are visible
the way that we sell
the way that we show up in our business
and the way that we support others
it's huge and I think
because I've seen what it's like to be in America
and to be in those circles
where people really want to see you win
and they over the top want to support you to win
that doesn't happen here and it's really sad yes
we do have people that support each other 100% and we
we as women we support other women
but there is still a lack mindset
that prevents us from really going above and beyond
and supporting others
and then there is also the tall Poppy
that we're so fearful
if that we do succeed at that next level
that we'll be torn down we'll be judged
we'll be trolled
and that prevents us from truly shining as our full
expression of ourselves
and so I'm really passionate about that
and it's actually why the event exists
and the way that I choose my speakers is like
how do I support
creating a space where our ambition is celebrated
and encouraged and lifted up
the women were there's just not enough around
it's just not enough of that support and those circles
because we're very much driven by luck and scarcity
and we hold ourselves back
like to give you an example
last year when my book went No. 1
my first thought that I had when that
that image came up on the website of like
your No. 1 best seller
I went into my shell very quickly and went
I better not tell anyone
cause people will stop supporting me
that was the thought that I had and it shocked me yeah
because my people actually did show up for me
the reason why it went No. 1
was because my community got behind me
and bought a copy of my book right
that wouldn't have happened without the support
but yet in the back of my mind I was like
oh be careful
be careful you're getting too big for your britches
you can't go and tell people that you're a No.
1 best seller
cause people are gonna think that's boastful
that was my thought
and it was so fascinating cause I've worked on my
mindset a lot
like I am a mindset coach and I do the work
so I was really fascinated that
that was the underlying thought that I had about my
success in that moment
and obviously
I worked through it and I moved through it
and I shared it
and I celebrated it and did all the things
but it was so fascinating to me that I was like OK
but not everyone has the tools that I have
with regards to mindset and I realized then I was like
one I really want a space
that
the reason why I fly to America to go to these events
is because of that environment
and I want that for I want that for Australian
so that's what I'll be taking people through is like
how to identify where that's showing up
but also how to support others
like it's so fascinating how like
I do my best to support others
and things like I someone asked me the other day
hey I've got a new launch coming up
and this is a connection that I have
and I've had for a while now um
I've got this launch coming up
and I really wanna do my best to make it an incredible
launch is there any chance that you could
possibly promote my upcoming workshop
that I'm gonna use as part of the launch
to your email list
and she was like I'll pay you like what would it cost
if I could actually pay you to like
almost like rent your email list
this is something that Americans do as well actually
it's not very talked about here in Australia
but like in America
you can rent other people's email lists
which way basically that you pay to
then have an email sent directly to their list
about whatever it is you are promoting
and I said to her absolutely
I will do that and no
I will not charge you for that
like I I value what you do
I know you're gonna deliver incredible value
and so I'm gonna share that with my people
cause I think they need to know about it
and she was like really you would do that
I'm like yeah
and it makes me sad that other people don't
but I get it because underlying it
it's like oh gosh
if I go and promote someone else
then then people could my people
that's taking my money away
they're money away from you yeah
cause they're gonna spend it with somebody else yeah
they're like oh my gosh
if they go then invest in that person
they don't have any money left
but that's a lack mindset
that's really feeding into scarcity
there is plenty of a money out there
there's plenty of money to be made
there's plenty of clients
and if we don't embody that
we will always hold ourselves back
because I know like it's also gonna benefit me
promoting other people like it's also gonna lift me up
and so a rising tide lifts all ships
that's my ethos and that's why this event exists
so if you want to be surrounded by other incredible
supportive genuine women just like Aaron and I
and you want to be supported
and encouraged to go after your next level ambitions
then Unstoppable
Women is definitely an event to attend
and
it's not just sitting and listening to other speakers
I'm gonna teach you how to network effectively
and I'm gonna teach you how
and I'm gonna create opportunities for you
to find your next business partner
your next business collaborator
your next business bestie
cause I want you to walk away with new clients
new opportunities
new ways to get more visible and new connectors
like just that's my whole goal
oh that's so good
so where can people find out about the event
the website is unstoppable women.au
so women with an e dot au as in Australia
and we also have an Instagram page
that's for the event as well
which is the same unstoppable women.au
yeah amazing
this conversation has been so good
and I think we could just talk forever
we seem very aligned in um
the way that we think and the way that we approach this
uh I am very much the same as you
we need the mindset
but we also need the practical and the strategy
at the same time so have
you got anything
final that you wanna share with everybody
like you're on socials Insta
where can they connect with you
I everywhere you can yeah
any platform basically Instagram is my main channel
I usually spend my most time there
and that you'll find me there at Christine Corcoran
underscore coach yeah
I would love to connect
and hear what you took away from today's episode
cause I agree we could keep chatting
and so lucky we're gonna chat on my podcast too
perfect well
thank you so much for this um
I will share all those details
but I really appreciate your time
I think these conversations are just so important
because the more we can lift each other up
the more we can show that there is room for everybody
and that we all have value to add
it just makes the whole world a better place
I I totally believe that
because there is so much space and availability
availability for everybody
we just have to have the courage to step
into those rooms and
and share our worth yeah
absolutely totally agree with you
thanks for having me today Aaron thank you

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